Seniors Talk, Youth Listen, and a Valuable Collection is Born
Oral Histories of Chevy Chase DC’s Retired Residents by Local Teens
Welcome to the first installment of this inter-generational oral history collection. Its intent is to capture the life stories and memories of the eldest among us by high school students, whose adult lives are still ahead of them. Complete transcripts of these oral histories are archived here along with abstracts, making them part of the public record for historians of the future as well as family, neighbors, and other readers.
Sharing one’s life story is rewarding for the narrators, all of whom live in senior residential facilities in Chevy Chase DC, and enlightening for students, who gain a unique listening opportunity to view life from a different generation’s perspective. Student were selected for the 2024-25 Historic Chevy Chase DC “Eighty, Meet 18” program based on application essays. Through this experience, they gain valuable interviewing, listening, and writing skills, and are introduced to the value of historical narratives. In addition to this year’s eight high school participants from five area schools, our collection features a new podcast called “Senior Stories” by two high school guest contributors, seniors at Washington International School.
– Cate Atkinson, “Eighty, Meet 18” program director, March 2025
2024-25 Student Interviewers
2024-25 Oral History Narrators

Charlie Martin
Student Leader
Senior, age 17
Walt Whitman HS Bethesda, MD
Bio
Charlie lives inside the DC Beltway in Bethesda and considers the Capital City his second home. He has a deep interest in anything history related and is quick to volunteer when a historical research opportunity flies by. He is managing editor of his school newspaper and runs a fast 800 meter on the track team. His grandparents from Japan gifted him with a curiosity for cultural exploration; you’ll find him in Japanese language class on Saturdays. Charlie is one of the three student leaders for this project.
Ana Steele Clark, age 85
From Typist Acting Chairwoman: Ana Steele Clark’s 33-Year Career at the National Endowment for the Arts
Topics include: Life in Wilmington, DE. Same-sex Catholic education and Marywood University in Scranton. Life as an actress in NYC in the 1950s. First three decades of the NEA. Marriage to John Clark.

Maddy Fine
Student Leader
Senior, age 17
Washington International School Washington, DC
Bio
A native Washingtonian, Maddy moved to Chevy Chase DC in 2017 and wasted no time in involving herself in local issues, including an HCCDC project to explore inter-generational effects of Black land loss. At WIS since age four, Maddy has held leading roles in several plays and serves as captain of the competitive speech and “It’s Academic” trivia teams. Outside of WIS, she’s also worked as a summer campaign intern for a House representative. Next up: She’s off to Columbia University to study political science. Maddy is one of the three student leaders for this project.
Burton Lee Gerber, age 91
Midwesterner Who Became CIA Spymaster, Burton Gerber Asks Young People What They Expect Their Country To Be
Topics include: Upbringing in Illinois and Ohio. Michigan State University. Foreign Service Exams. Looking at the U.S. from the outside. Marriage to Rosalie Prokarym Gerber. Teaching graduate students at Georgetown University.

Natalia Weinstein
Sophomore, age 15
Jackson-Reed HS, DC
Bio
Natalia at 15 has figured out how to be empathetic, considerate, and consistently reliable in all her passions, a feat people twice her age often haven’t yet squared. She loves to play baseball, shop, travel, and hang out with friends and family. She lives in Chevy Chase DC, has an older brother and has goldfish in her backyard pond. She is a huge Philadelphia Phillies fan, and when it comes to travel, her all-time favorites are Florence, Italy, and a rodeo in Cheyenne, WY.
Gordon Stewart Brown, age 88
Career Foreign Service Officer Spends So-Called Retirement as Historian, Author, and Chairman of Habitat for Humanity
Topics include: Born in Rome. Upbringing in Georgetown, DC. Stanford University. Military and Foreign Service in Arabic-Speaking Countries. Marriage to Olivia, Raising children abroad. Book author. Habitat for Humanity.

Caroline Reilly
Junior, age 16
Jackson-Reed HS, DC
Bio
Caroline works on her school newspaper and participates in theater and mock trials. She shares her Chevy Chase DC home with her parents, a young brother, two dogs, and a cockatiel. An avid reader and “energetic lover of rainy days,” Caroline learned the value of oral histories when she recorded a treasure trove of her grandparents’ stories as a project for a public speaking class in her freshman year.
Elizabeth “Jane” Pratt MacLeish, age 84
A Child During the Blitz, MacLeish Experiences America From A Greyhound Bus, and Remakes Herself as a Renowned Landscape Designer
Topics include: London during WWII. Her father, a surgeon and Renaissance man. Sailing to the U.S. during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Traveling to Canada then New York on a Greyhound bus. Life in NYC. Moving to DC. Becoming a garden and landscape designer. High profile jobs, including White House and National Observatory grounds.

Gardiner Dietrich
Sophomore, age 15
Sidwell Friends School, DC
Bio
Gardiner lives in Chevy Chase, MD, with two cats, two dogs, and two birds in addition to her parents and a sister away at college. She has a strong passion for history and research. A paper she wrote on slavery in the nation’s capital, particularly on the land where her school now sits, won first place at the 2025 National History Day DC essay contest and will advance to nationals. She writes articles for her school newspaper and enjoys coxing on her crew team. A pianist, Gardiner organizes student musicians to perform at senior centers. Her favorite summer pastime is hiking in Acadia.
Robert “Bob” Brewer Norris, age 93
Retired Lawyer-Turned-Playwright, Bob Norris recalls childhood days in Kalorama; a summer spent on a fuel tanker, and an abortion trial pre-Roe
Topics include: The NW DC neighborhood of Kalorama in the 30s and 40s, WW II. Former battleship Pennsylvania Sun as a fuel tanker,. Catholic upbringing. Abe Lincoln’s moral dillemma over executing Native Americans.. Arlington Cemetery.

Amaia Catan
Junior, age 16
The School Without Walls, DC
Bio
Amaia describes herself as an older sister, a lifelong foodie, and an insatiable bookworm. She rows year round on the Potomac River and keeps herself busy with extracurricular activities, such as working with a GW anthropology professor and transcribing historical documents for the Smithsonian Freedmen’s Bureau project. Last summer she volunteered at IONA Senior Services, which prepared her for this project. Her favorite subject is history, seconded by English. She lives with her family and her cat, Nala, in Washington, DC.
Elaine Corcoran O’Malley, age 92
A Mathematician by Education but a DC Tour Guide by Happenstance, Elaine O’Malley Also Raised Six Children and was Long Married to a Vaccine Researcher
Topics include: Upbringing in Roxbury, MA. Absence of father due to tuberculosis. Childhood years during WW II. Catholic education in mathematics, including at Emmanuel College in Boston. Meeting Joe O’Malley and moving to Washington for his NIH job. Travel to Ireland. Life as a DC tour guide. Deaths of three adult children.

Lucy Carroll
Sophomore, age 16
Jackson-Reed HS, DC
Bio
Lucy is a life-long DC resident. She plays for Jackson-Reed’s Varsity girls soccer and lacrosse teams. She loves her studies in physical therapy and life sciences through her high school’s BioMedical Academy. While juggling a busy schedule, Lucy also prioritizes simple pleasures. “Listening to new music and cooking with my family brings me happiness,” she said.
Louise Sullivan, age 92
A Georgia Transplant to DC, Louise Sullivan Defied Norms of the 1970s to Become a Successful Realtor, Mother, and Wife
Topics include: Upbringing in Griffin and Fort Valley, GA, in well-known family. Abandoned college for city life in DC. Marriage to CIA officer and a move to London. Raised four children. Son’s accident turned into life-changing incident that led to her becoming a Realtor prominent in Chevy Chase DC.

Celeste Martin and
Sofia Vakis
Seniors, Washington International School, Washington, DC
Senior Stories: The Podcast
Want to know what it was like hanging out at Woodstock, or being a therapist in an abortion clinic in the 1980s? This new podcast called “Senior Stories” is recorded by two high-school students who want to capture the memories of today’s retirees.